[joe j]

http://news.ninemsn....kydiving-plunge

[Jason.Scott]

I love the way they say "mother" kind of makes it sound like she's in her mid 30's-40's (Yes I know mothers can be younger than that)
"She had been trained to use the emergency procedure but unfortunately she did not" - TUG

[Johno]

http://www.news.com....i-1225838968212


Sounds like static line training

[Eiley]

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She said she was the fourth to jump in her group of four. Apparently she noticed problems with the three who went before, some of their parachutes were getting entangled as they fell.

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Mr McGuire said he became concerned for his girlfriend's welfare when three jumpers who went before her also allegedly suffered problems with their parachutes.

She was the fourth of four to go on that run. I was just praying that she wouldn't jump," he said.

The first guy who went, his chute got entangled and he came down too quick. When he landed he had cuts and bruises.

The second had the same problem. He had to open his reserve. Then the third guy got entangled too.

I watched all of this and just hoped that they would bring the plane down. When it slowed down for Lareece to jump she didn't appear and I was so relieved.

But then they came round again and she was out. As soon as she emerged it was obvious she was in trouble.

Goodness. What a dodgy outfit. Luckily the whuffo with the trained eye was there. These cowboys might otherwise get away with risking DEATH AND DESTRUCTION on every jump!!

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Ms Botha said the family would consider taking legal action against the skydive company.

Gee. That wouldn't be the point of the whole breathless story to the media in the first place would it?

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"In the end she said they pushed her out the side. She said 'Mummy I didn't want to jump, they pushed me'."

Any grown woman who speaks like that should have been weeded out of the class and made to do a tandem with the other children.

[MiA]

i hate skydivers who dont have the balls to execute their emergency procedures when they should.....

[rockola]

MiA, on 10 March 2010 - 12:41 PM, said:

i hate skydivers who dont have the balls to execute their emergency procedures when they should.....

Out of interest, how many cutaways have you had?

I'm a skydiver and have, once, not executed my emergency procedures when I should have. I lived, albeit not without injury. I also learned a lot on that jump.

[Trout]

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"She told her mum she asked to return to the ground and said the plane even circled a second loop as she refused to go.
"In the end she said they pushed her out the side. She said 'Mummy I didn't want to jump, they pushed me'."

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Mr Vos said: "She told me she cannot remember anything about the jump at all. She said the first she realised anything was wrong was when she woke up in hospital.

[dugy]

[robes]

The photos of the club show an side door aircraft, airvan? side door exits are not the best for static line jumps. really need to be poised off the strut for safe stable exits. nothing wrong or unsafe with static line, millions of them have been done, squares and side door exits up the run rate for dramas.
talking of "Miracles" has any one seen the movie of the same name.? brilliant.

[shaneb]

People will try make anything a legal matter these days, they would of signed a waver form making anything that happened to unliable for the club to take responsibilty for the skydivers actions anyway

[gregdemon]

Like my CI says its the quality of training that will save your life. (together with good equipment) I was obsessed with skyhooks a while back but what good is a skyhook if one does not pull the red handle when you are suppossed to . This is the 2nd incident recently where the new jumper did nothing in an emergency. The only time I have sort of been there was when jumping a round one 28 years ago...... I had a very slow opening. I pulled and nothing happened. I did not look over my shoulder but the training clicked in and I immediately located the front belly reserve I was about to pull when the main inflated. The instructor looking from the aircraft said it was the slowest opening he had seen on a T10. (no cutaway drill on that system) I find it hard to understand how simple emergency procedures are not followed but I suppose every one acts differently in a crisis.(and who am I to judge) I do not see any way the sport can get around this... the human element that cannot be foreseen. (AADS and RSLs sure help though)

[Jason.Scott]

MiA, on 10 March 2010 - 11:41 AM, said:

i hate skydivers who dont have the balls to execute their emergency procedures when they should.....

It's not so much about having the balls to execute.
Fright(Freeze), Fight or Flight - the 3 basic ways people can react in a stressful situation.
Everyone would like to think that in a stressful situation they would do whatever it takes, unfortunately this is not always the case.
I've had around 350 jumps and I'm yet to have a chop, touch wood. I've had a few close(ish) calls, malfunction wise, so I have been in stressful situations and thus far have handled them well. Now I'd like to think that when that day comes I will react as I was taught, but I can't say with certainty.
Sensory overload is not something that is easily controlled, simple as that.

[alskal]

ozzie, on 10 March 2010 - 03:21 PM, said:

side door exits are not the best for static line jumps. really need to be poised off the strut for safe stable exits..

I cant see why climbing out onto the strut with a staticline would be any better than a seated poised exit from a side door, it appears a side door exit provides for stable on heading exits as well.

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squares and side door exits up the run rate for dramas

If this refers to line twists, wouldn't the static line pulling the deployment bag over the reserve container ( instead of a clear deployment which would come from exiting rear facing) be more of an issue ?

[robes]

More like rolling out the door is the norm if you don't get a good launch and rolling into the deploying canopy. side doors and not using a direct bag deployment system has attributed to a few bounces. i'ved done both exits on static line (roundies and squares)and the poised is a lot easier as far as stability goes.

alskal, on 10 March 2010 - 06:30 PM, said:

ozzie, on 10 March 2010 - 03:21 PM, said:

side door exits are not the best for static line jumps. really need to be poised off the strut for safe stable exits..

I cant see why climbing out onto the strut with a staticline would be any better than a seated poised exit from a side door, it appears a side door exit provides for stable on heading exits as well.

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squares and side door exits up the run rate for dramas

If this refers to line twists, wouldn't the static line pulling the deployment bag over the reserve container ( instead of a clear deployment which would come from exiting rear facing) be more of an issue ?

[Craig Trimble]

Eiley, on 10 March 2010 - 12:38 PM, said:

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"In the end she said they pushed her out the side. She said 'Mummy I didn't want to jump, they pushed me'."

Any grown woman who speaks like that should have been weeded out of the class and made to do a tandem with the other children.

Actually Eiley, I thought the same till I remembered my SA workmate who naturally called his Mum "Mummy". For him it was weird that I called my mother "Mum"

ozzie, on 10 March 2010 - 04:21 PM, said:

The photos of the club show an side door aircraft, airvan? side door exits are not the best for static line jumps. really need to be poised off the strut for safe stable exits. nothing wrong or unsafe with static line, millions of them have been done, squares and side door exits up the run rate for dramas.

I see you point Ozzie, but I disagree. For me the complexity of the strut hang climbout negates the benefit of the cleaner exit. I'm as happy with both, and a well trained positive poised exit from a 206 or Islander coupled with a DB opening haven't produced any extra problems.

C.
(Trained on a strut hang, teaches with a side door...)

[Aykay]

Craig Trimble, on 11 March 2010 - 12:31 AM, said:

Eiley, on 10 March 2010 - 12:38 PM, said:

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"In the end she said they pushed her out the side. She said 'Mummy I didn't want to jump, they pushed me'."

Any grown woman who speaks like that should have been weeded out of the class and made to do a tandem with the other children.

Actually Eiley, I thought the same till I remembered my SA workmate who naturally called his Mum "Mummy". For him it was weird that I called my mother "Mum"

Was he also retarded?

[Matrix]

Aykay, on 11 March 2010 - 09:31 AM, said:

Craig Trimble, on 11 March 2010 - 12:31 AM, said:

Actually Eiley, I thought the same till I remembered my SA workmate who naturally called his Mum "Mummy". For him it was weird that I called my mother "Mum"

Was he also retarded?

His name wasn't Bubby was it?

[Jason.Scott]

Matrix, on 11 March 2010 - 10:39 AM, said:

His name wasn't Bubby was it?

He was a Bad Boy...

[Eiley]

Oh wow, you have just *got* to read the comments under the story in the Huffington Post!

For example...

"I thought the point of instructors strapping novices to themselves when they jump was to ensure the novice makes the jump. I have heard it also done in a way that all jumpers are put into some sort of automatic ejection device so that they all go in properly spaced intervals. Perhaps I've only seen "pushed" on TV but given the things I know I have heard done, this would not appear unrealistic to me."

"Mark Bellingan from the Parachute Association is wrong in saying she should have cut away her main and opened her reserve. Only an expert jumper would do that at this low an altitude."


"It takes an average-sized skydiver around 8000 ft to reach terminal velocity."

Ok I admit it this has to be divine intervention. I watched once a friend fall from a 24 story building onto a lawn and none of us watching had any doubt he was dead on impact so I can't imagine how she got thru it walking around in a few months aside from God's hand.

And I haven't even got through a quarter of them. Awesome!

[Jason.Scott]

HAH!, Thanks Eiley, I needed a laugh.